Sargon of Akkad

We were discussing Sargon and Joseph possible connection in Allempires history forum but I seem to have lost access to the forum in this last 24 hours so i am unable to see and reply to any thread/topic replies. (Not sure if it is coincidence or on purpose. It is annoying to be blocked from viewing and replying especially now when possibly untrue/unfair claims/appearances replies may possibly have been made in thread replies that might falsely make us look wrong/bad that we can't answer/disprove if we can't see and reply the forum thread/topic.) Since i was sometime ago unfairly banned from Historum forum and they refused to retract the unfair ban or give another chance and they continually keep rebanning for rejoining, there is now no history forum online that i am able to visit and post in. (Historum banned us, Allempires is now blocked access seemingly, Simaqian is long gone. There are no other major history forums i have found online in the last couple of years. I don't have the time etc to administrate a forum/group myself.) So i will have to post my updated Sargon information on here instead.

Below is the latest update reply that i wrote since my last reply/post in the Sargon thread/topic. Note i have not seen any replies since my last reply/comment in that thread/topic.

After my last posts i was again re-reading certain details about parts of the life of Sargon and Manistusu and Naramsin, and i am now not so sure that our previous Joseph or Moses correspondence is not possibly right after all. There are still quite a few very intriguing similarities especially with Joseph's story. The second proposal of Seir the Horite also doesn't necessarily  look like it does have such a good possible match. As things stand at present i am stuck not able to prove for sure whether Sargon is or is not connected with Joseph or Moses or Seir or other, because on one hand there are some too intriguing similarities, but on other hand there are seeming supposed differences, either/both of which we are not sure  whether they are explainable or meaningful or not. So at present all i can do is try to demonstrate more clearly the most intriguing similarities to try to show why we are somewhat half-intrigued.

The first most major reason why i see a possible match with Joseph or Moses times is because the similarities of Manishtusu & Manasseh (& Menkaure), and/or Sargon/Rimush/Mush & Moses/Ramses.

1. Manishtusu & Manasseh/Menkaure: both are similarly described as succeeding elder brothers:

Manasseh:

Genesis 41:51-52 "Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh.... The name of the second, he called Ephraim...."
 48:1-20 "He took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim.
.... Now your two sons, who were born to you in the land of Egypt
        before I came to you into Egypt, are mine; Ephraim and Manasseh,
        even as Reuben and Simeon, will be mine.
Your issue, who you become the father of after them, will be yours.
        They will be called after the name of their brothers
        in their inheritance.
.... Israel saw Joseph's sons, and said, "Who are these?"
 Joseph said to his father, "They are my sons, whom God
        has given me here."  ....
 Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's
        left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's
        right hand, and brought them near to him.
 Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it on Ephraim's head,
        who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh's head,
        guiding his hands knowingly, for Manasseh was the firstborn.
.... When Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand on the head
        of Ephraim, it displeased him.  He held up his father's hand,
        to remove it from Ephraim's head to Manasseh's head.
 Joseph said to his father, "Not so, my father; for this is
        the firstborn; put your right hand on his head."
His father refused, and said, "I know, my son, I know.
        He also will become a people, and he also will be great.
        However, his younger brother will be greater than he,
        and his seed will become a multitude of nations."
 He blessed them that day, saying, "In you will Israel bless,
        saying, 'God make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh'" He set
        Ephraim before Manasseh."

Manish-tusu:

"Manish-tusu the elder brother of Rimush/Urumush/Alusharshid reigned ...." is noticeable in the Kish Chronicle king list.

Comments of scholars: "... speculation ... that the two were twins, as in: man istusu? rimus! "Who is with him? His beloved!", as apparently the second born was thought to be the first conceived." Compare that with the Genesis 48 words.

Menkaure:

The kings/pharaohs of the 4th dynasty and the pyramids of Giza seem to match Jacob and Joseph's sons of Genesis:

Sneferu = pharaoh (or Zaphenath)?
Philitis = Jacob?
Khufu/Cheops = Jacob
Redjedef = Joseph (or Judah)?
Sphinx = head of Joseph/Zaphenath &/or lion of Judah?
Khafre/Chephren = Ephraim?
Menkaure/Mycerinus = Manasseh (or Machir or Benjamin)?
Giza/Er-gesher = Goshen

Our match of (the Sphinx and) the 3 pyramids of Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure at Giza with (Joseph and) Jacob and Joseph's two sons seems to match very good.
Menkaure is supposedly the son of Khafre, but if Menkaure is Manasseh then he might not have really been the son of Khafre but might have just been made his "son" as his succesor.
Menkaure's pyramid is smaller than the other two, and slightly off-centre line.
The name of Khafre's pyamird means "great or upper", and the name of Menkaure's pyramid means "high", which might perhaps be compared with Genesis 48 words?

2. Sargon/Rimush/Urumush & Ramses or Moses:

Rimush's name is variously rendered either Rimush or Uru-mush or Mush or Musush or Alusharshid. This name is similar to Re-/Ra-mses and/or Moses/Moshe/Musa. One version has "the hero Mush". (Ramses is mentioned in both the stories of Joseph/Genesis and Moses/Exodus.)
Rimush is son of Sargon whose birth story is very similar to Moses' birth story.
Sargon is supposed in conventional chronology to supposedly be a contemporary of Pepi 1. It is a strange coincidence that Pepi 1 &/or Pepi 2 happens to be a candidate of ours for matching Moses.
(Joseph was 3rd/4th dynasty, Moses was (6th and/or) 12th dynasty, and Sargon does at least seem to come somewhere sometime between Joseph and Moses. The orthodox supposed "6th dynasty" placement agrees with our placement of Sargon sometime between the 3rd/4th and 6th/12th dynasties.)

3. Chronological dispute:

Before we discuss some more Sargon & Joseph stories similarities a note on the Chronological dispute:
While orthodox adamantly assert  that their 6th dynasty "2300" bc time placement of Sargon is surely right because of "eminent" "peer review" and "plenty of evidences", we say that they can not actually prove that the 2300s date is truly correct. Whatever the correct date is, they might be right that it was around about the 6th dynasty though because there is the known archaeological synchronism of Akkadian dynasty/period with the 6th dynasty via Ebla. Though it is admitted that the date is not definite because the Ebla info might be earlier than the Akkadian conquest.  One possible piece of infomration that might possibly either support or alter the "6th" dynasty correspondence is this:
Sayce said that a statue from Lagash (?1st or 2nd?) dynasty is very similar to an Egyptian 4th dynasty statue, and that the cubit measurement in it is also the same as that of the pyramid builders of the 4th-6th dynasty of Egypt.
If this is Lagash 1 dynasty then it may agree with Akkad being after 4th-6th dynasty; but if it is Lagash 2 dynasty then it might mean that Akkadian dynasty was before the 4th-6th dynasty?

4. Pyramids:

It was said that Akkadian doesn't match with 3rd/4tt/5th dynasty because seemingly "no evidence that Akkadians build pyramids like the Egyptian rulers did then".

Manishtusu's stele is "pyramidal".
Naramsin stele shows a pyramud-like mountain/hill/mound in the picutre.

Joseph who we suggest Sargon might be connected with also has possible connections with pyramids eg:
Hebrews dwelt at Goshen which seems to match Giza/Er-gesher.
The shepherd Philitis who dwelt at Giza in 4th dynasty in Herodotus matches Jacob/Khufu at Giza. Herodotus said Egyptians hated/disliked the 4th pyramid-builders. Josephus said exodus started from Latopolis, which is not very far from Cairo/Giza.
The "eternal mountains/hills" of Joseph in Genesis 49 seemingly may match the pyramids. (We shown in various articles many evidences that Joseph certainly was in the 3rd-4th dynasty)?

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