Saturday, March 2, 2019

Forrest Fenn's treasure location


Yesterday (date now is Sunday 3rd March 2019 NZ time, blog date says 2nd March) i found the location of Forrest Fenn's treasure, but today the forum i posted it in won't load in my browser, so just in case the elite enemies are trying to cheat me of credit for my discovery I post copy here of my last post (can't post all the previous leading up ones). Its not necessarily the treasure/money but the always being robbed of credit for my discoveries that really peeves me. Despite many previous similar stark discoveries it has been like no matter what i try or do nothing ever changes always just the same silence, isolation and slavery and suffering.
I believe i have just (yesterday) found the location of the chest though i can't prove the actual precise site of it in the location. (For the precise site in/on the mountain, Fenn implied that the treasure might be near the top of the mountain, and not near a trail, and 200 feet from searchers, and in a wood. Somewhere not dangerous that an 80 year old and/or children could reach. It might be in snow/ice or rocks or cave re clues about "cold", "wet", "not/buried", "weather", "spring", "gloves", "flashlight")

It looks like the treasure chest is at Mt Washburn (and/or the summits of Gallatin Valley) in Yellowstone National Park Wyoming USA:

Pros of Mt Washburn (&/or Gallatin Valley summits):

(Note you may need to refer to the wikipedia page on Mt Washburn, and to the Fenn clues posted below after the matches evidences, and to the wikipedia article on the Fenn treasure.)

- The name Washburn could partially match clues "water high" or "up creek" (burn is a stream)? (Though "water high" could be snow or clouds.)

- "the line of perpetual snow" (Washburn), or "Still further to the left the snowy ranges on the headwaters of Gardiner's river" and "the white summits above the Gallatin Valley. These never thaw during the summer months, though several thousand feet lower than where we now stand upon the bare granite and no snow visible near, save n the depths of shaded ravines" could match clues "where warm waters halt", "cold", "physics say the treasure is wet", etc.

- "Mt Washburn ... is a station in the primary and secondary triangulation" could match "west of Toledo" & "north of Santa Fe"?

- Washburn visitor descriptions of "The view from the summit is beyond all adequate description. ...  a variegated landscape of surpassing beauty...." & "From the tip top of Mount Washburn you can see the world in much of its glory" & "On the east, close beneath our feet, yawns the immense gulf of the Grand Cañon" & "The mind struggles and then falls back upon itself despairing in the effort to grasp by a single thought the idea of its immensity" may match the clues "marvel gaze"?

- "One of three active fire lookout towers in Yellowstone is located on the summit." Or "the white summits above the Gallatin Valley" or "the sun's rays are reflected on the further wall", or "The pure atmosphere of this lofty region causes every outline of tree, rock or lakelet to be visible with wonderful distinctness, and objects 20 miles away appear as if very near at hand" could match "the blaze" (which Fenn further said could be "anything which stands out")?

- Washburn description "where we met the line of perpetual snow" could match clue "where warm waters halt"?

- "Warm Spring Creek below" could match "where warm waters halt" or "up creek" clues?

- "Beyond, a gentle declivity, sloping from the summit of the broken range, extends to the limit of vision, a wilderness of unbroken pine forest", and "innumerable groves" in the vicinity of Waqshburn could match Fenn say he could see/smell pines or pinyons?

- one visitors account mentioning "played snowball" there (Washburn) could match Fenn saying treasure's location is "somwehere where you can take your kids/children"?

- tin mustard box on top of Washburn is similar to Fenn's chest?

- "10000/10243 ft" height and "to drive to an altitude of over ten thousand feet above sea-level", or "the white summits above the Gallatin Valley. These never thaw during the summer months, though several thousand feet lower than where we now stand upon the bare granite and no snow visible near, save n the depths of shaded ravines" matches Fenn's treasure site being "above 5000 ft" and "below 10200 ft".

- can drive up to the mountain on good road.

- the snow or the granite / rock(riven peak) of Washburn, or Elephant's Back to the west/south, or carrying stuff up slogging/hiking up the mountain could match clue "heavy loads"?

- "On the east, close beneath our feet, yawns the immense gulf of the Grand Cañon, cutting away the bases of two mountains in forcing a passage through the range. Its yellow walls divide the landscape nearly in a straight line to the junction of Warm Spring Creek below. The ragged edges of the chasm are from two hundred to five hundred yards apart" could match Fenn confirming that "searchers have been within 200 feet (60 m) of the treasure and many within 500 feet (150 m)".

- Washburn's association with Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone ("On the east, close beneath our feet, yawns the immense gulf of the Grand Cañon", "bounded on its extreme verge by the cañons of the Yellowstone", "From the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone to Mount Washburn is a drive of ten miles", photo of "Mount Washburn from north rim of Grand Canyon") or "hiking-canyon" could match clue "take the canyon down" and "not far but too far too walk".

- "From the tip top of Mount Washburn you can see the world in much of its glory. It is an entrancing view. You are in love with living. You want to do more of it. You plan to do big things when you get down into the work again." could match Fenn being described as an "adrenaline junkie"?

- The creek clue might relate to either Warm Spring Creek, Antelope Creek, or Wash-burn(e) "wash stream"?

- home of Brown might relate to the -burn(e) of Washburn(e)? or Dunraven pass nearby (dun "dark/black/brown/grey")? or the yellow of yellowstone (brown being yellow & red + black)?

- One can see why the place is special to Fenn. (Quite amazed....)

Cons of Mt Washburn:

- "rock-riven peak", and "the white summits above the Gallatin Valley. These never thaw during the summer months, though several thousand feet lower than where we now stand upon the bare granite and no snow visible near, save in the depths of shaded ravines" would mean that Washburn can't match the clues "where warm waters halt", "cold", "physics say it is wet" (since ravines are not "somewhere you can take your children" and "not dangerous" and "where an 80 year old could go" as Fenn stated), though the summits of Gallatin could match the clues.

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* "warm waters" could be geothermal springs (eg Mammoth springs), or geyser.
"where the warm waters halt" either steam (geyser), or dam/bank/basin, or met cold/cool water/air/north, or mix with dirt (mud) or with other liquid/fluid, or freeze (snow/ice/glacier/north).
"end is ever drawing nigh" either hiking up a mountain/hill, or going through a tunnel, or poetic for falls, or death.
"heavy loads" either carrying stuff up mountain, or truck, or snow/ice/water, or rocks. (Cf "come unto me all you heavy laden"?)
"water high" either snow, cloud, falls, Washburn, high tide.
"physics say its wet" either water, ice, snow, cloud, condensation, frost, steam, dew, damp, melt/molten.

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Reference list of the Fenn clues and hints that i had to use, the main original one being the 6 stane poem at the top of the list.

"The Thrill of the Chase". "Fen(n)boree".
"Fenn's treasure is hidden somewhere in the highlighted region (Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico) of the Rocky Mountains on the map."

"As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

"Begin it where warm waters halt (1st clue)
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown (2nd clue).

"From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.

"If you’ve been wise and found the blaze (5th clue),
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze (6th clue),
Just take the chest and go in peace.

"So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

"So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold." ("24 lines, 9 clues".)

(Crosses on map: Wheeler Peak, Mt Evans, Pikes Peak, Mt Elbert, Gannet/Garret Peak, Granite Peak.)

"The chapters in my book have very subtle hints but are not deliberately placed to aid the seeker. Good luck in the search."
Much of the book is about Yellowstone.
Fenn mentions Taos Mountain (nickname for Wheeler Peak) alot in his book.
Fly-fishing is also mentioned alot in the book.

Fenn said the treasure could be hidden in one of three places: "public land (BLM, NPS, FS), tribal land or private property".
"Forrest has said that there was nowhere he could have hid the treasure that would not involve some potential complications".

"the chest was exposed to rain and snow, and could be scorched in a forest fire"?

"If I was standing where the treasure chest is, I’d see trees, I’d see mountains ( , I’d see animals. I’d smell wonderful smells of pine needles, or pinyon nuts, sagebrush -- ) and I know the treasure chest is wet."
"I just watched that New Mexico Tourism video again .... Looking back I think I wanted to say I could smell pine needles, not pinon nuts. Sorry I kicked a hornet’s nest with that comment. There is no clue there. Incidentally, when I get pine pitch on my hands I rub butter on the spots and that solves the problem. Of course then I have trouble getting the butter off."

"Take a flashlight and a sandwich."

"There’s no need digging in the old outhouses, the treasure is not associated with any (manmade) structure."
"It is not in Nevada."
"The treasure is not in a grave yard."
"The treasure is higher than 5,000 feet above sea level." (or "above 1500 meters elevation".)
"If you had the coordinates, you would be able to find the treasure."
"The treasure is not hidden in Idaho or Utah."
"The treasure is not in a mine."
"(It is at least 8.25 miles) north of Santa Fe." (or "somewhere near/north-of Santa Fe")
"The treasure is hidden below 10,200 feet."
"It is more than 300 miles west of Toledo."
"I never said it was buried, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t."
"Is it not possible to find chest without leaving computer & google earth."
"There isn’t a human trail in very close proximity to where I hid the treasure."
"Not associated with a structure...."
"I would like to know if the blaze can be found during the day without a flashlight. I would say yes."
"I made 2 trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon (carrying the chest in first and then the contents)."

"The treasure chest is not under water, nor is it near the Rio Grande River. It is not necessary to move large rocks or climb up or down a steep precipice, and it is not under a man-made object.
Please remember that I was about (79 or) 80 when I made two trips from my vehicle to where I hid the treasure."
" I walked less than a few (scant) miles...."

"The chest is not in a dangerous place.... It's somewhere you could take your kids." ("But he has also said it’s not somewhere that anybody is likely to stumble upon it accidentally.")

"searchers have been within 200 feet (60 m) of the treasure and many within 500 feet (150 m)"

"I knew exactly where to hide the chest so it would be difficult to find but not impossible"

"The spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chase. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work not matter what.  In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine."

("... places where I fished as a kid under the tutelage of my father.... Those great places, which were personal secrets to me then, are now busy with flourish of fisherman and women who cast a midge or floating cadis upon those same waters, never knowing I had been there, or even caring yes or no. I always thought that space was mine alone, and many of the memories there bred are even now still so personal that they exclude the intrusion of strangers. How dare they go there?")

"You guys seem to be hung up on waterfalls. Don’t try to change my poem to fit your ideas."
"If your solve is in the desert, get a new solve."
"The treasure is not in a tunnel someplace"
"Where warm waters halt is not related to any dam"
"It’s not on a top of any mountain…..it may be close to the top"
"Not in Canada"
"in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe"
"You don’t need to break anything to find the treasure."
"If you think I could not have put it there, you are probably right"
"Chest weights 42/44 pounds plus, best to have gloves"
"Your destination is small, but its location is huge"
"If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather"
"Shut your engine off until spring"
What is a Blaze? "Anything that stands out."
"It helps to know something about Rocky Mountain geography when making plans to search for my treasure. Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue."
"The last time I was up there was 1950."
"It’s hidden in a pretty good place. It’s difficult to find, but certainty isn’t impossible."
"Those who solve the first clue are more than half way to the treasure…"
"Until someone finds  the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue."
"Brown trout have nothing to do with home of Brown"
"Fenn said if the treasure were in the wilderness, of course it would be wet"?
"While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there"
"I hid the treasure in a place that is not especially difficult to reach."
"There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts."
"No specialized knowledge is required…..My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasure"
"The clues did not exist when I was a kid but of most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years."
"When I hid it and was walking back to my car, I started laughing out loud and I said ‘Forrest Fenn…did you really do that?"
"There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest."
"…that’s why I told people I hid the treasure chest when I was 79 or 80 years old because I don’t want the exact date to be known because I’m afraid somebody will go check the rental car records and how many miles did Mr. Fenn put on the truck or the car…so I don’t answer those kinda questions…but shoot that person that sent in that email…"
"What is wrong with me just riding my bike out there and throwing it in the ‘water high’ when I am through with it?"
"My church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms where dreams and fantasies alike go to play"
"more than 66000 links north of SF"

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