My mother's mother who was married had a brief affair with an Italian pow in Nottingham in 1946 and from all the evidences it seem fairly sure he is my mother's real father though I can't be absolutely certain unless I can find out who he was. Unfortunately we don't know any first name or surname of the pow and so it is very hard to find out who he was. How I am to find him is another story. Here I just wanted to record the 20 plus evidences for my real grandfather probably being the Italian pow. (Note I do not condone the affair. I just can't live without knowing a whole quarter line/branch of my family tree.)
Evidences against my commonly assumed grandfather and for the Italian pow being my real grandfather:
- My interest in nationalism. He was an Italian ww2 pow (fascist).
- My mother's name Jennifer = Guinevere who in King Arthur had an affair with Lancelot.
- My aquiline 'Roman nose'.
- I feel and favour that the Italian is my real grandfather rather than my commonly assumed grandfather.
- My preferring the warm rather than the cold. My mother's liking of Fiji climate.
- My liking of TV show 'The Sopranos'.
- My liking of Medierrantean/Latino/Mexican/Indian foods like pasta, oregano, salt, cheese, passata.
- My mother's and my blood group is AO, and my sister's was OO. A & O are the most common Italian blood groups.
- The family tradition/story of the affair is surely true, and the reason why my grandparents came to NZ from UK is supposed to have been to get away from the Italian. Also it must be true because my mother's christian relatives have been so oversensitive about the "scandal". There was a pow camp nearby where they lived then. My commonly assumed grandfather said he smelt the sweat etc.
The affair being about 9 months before my mother was born.
- The possible "Romeo" morse code clue in my grandmother's typed-ip memories.
- My "amorousness". My mother having had 4/5 husbands/marriages.
- Some of the types of women I like are more Eurafrican than Eurasiatic.
My mother having liked a Fijian Indian (also Mediterranean).
- My impulsiveness or hot bloodedness.
- Some of my physical features are Mediterranean-like (long narrow head/forehead, slender build, my height, "small medium" size, high cheek bones, "small chest", dark sparse beard).
My mother & sister had blackish hair.
- My mother and me have sometimes been called "Chinese". Jantsang said Chinese are a Mediterranean & Turanian mixture. (She said my mother had "softer features than Turanian".)
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- I have similar intellectual/scholarly/scientific/religious interests to the Popes.
- A site says Mediterraneans are hairy. I have pretty hairy legs and arms.
- It does seem we have inherited a "generational curse" for "sins of forefathers" from my grandparents affair.
- My mother said she picked up Italian language quickly when on a ship.
- A site says Italians talk loud and are extroverts. Sometimes I have been told "lower your voice". Sometimes I talk stuccato-like. I'm also somewhat impulsive-talkative or wild mouth-like.
- I sun tan pretty well.
- My religiosity and my liking somethings about Catholicism.
- Maybe explains my long time interest in Egypt, Biblical history, Islam, Atlantis, which are all Mediterranean-like.
- Although I have some similarities with my commonly assumed granfather's family, there are also some seeming differences.
- Maybe explains why I got nothing after my commonly assumed granfather died except a pair of shoes, while my (half-)uncles took most everything.
- My mother supposedly took a genetic test which is assumed to have proven the commonly assumed father is the real father. But my mother told me she destroyed/threw-out the samples so she can't of had the genetic test unless they sent them back afterwards or unless she lied.
- "Italians love designer clothes". I like good quality well fitting clothes.
- Italians are "mum's boy". I maybe had a similar connection with my mother?
- Italians gesticulate alot. Sometimes I use the finger or fingers or spit in face gestures to convey my feelings/thoughts/opinion of bad people.
- "Italians love coffee but never drink cupachino after lunch". I did for sometime love tea, and I don't generally seem to like drinking with/after meals?
- "Italians love wearing sunglasses all the time". Although I haven't loved sunglasses most of my life I did like them for a while when I was a teenager.
Evidences against the Italian pow and for my commonly assumed grandfather:
- My uncle Eric has some similar features to me and/or my mother (similar neck, etc).
My uncle Eric seems to have a similar Roman nose.
- My mother is assumed to of had a genetic test which is assumed to have prove my commonly assumed grandfather is her real father.
- My mother is pretty similar to her sister Margaret.
- My mother's commonly assumed father is said to have said he thought he was really his daughter because "a dog knows his own".
- I don't have big ears like the popes.
- I'm maybe not as extrovert as Italians are said to be.
- My "amorousness" might not be from Italian blood & affair but might be due to similar reasons as my uncle Eric's.
- My scholarly and genealogical interests are similar to my commonly assume grandfather.
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Possible ethnic traits/characteristics that may be clues to determining if we have Italian or other nation's blood:
Size: small, medium, large, extra-large
Height: tall, medium, short
Body type: Ectomorphic/Asthenic/Linear/slender (tall, thin/lean), Mesomorphic/Athletic, Endomorphic/Stocky/Pyknic (short, "fat")
Head type: Dolichocephalic/long, Mesocephalic, Brachycephalic/round
Blood group: AB, B, A, O
Hair type: Flat shaft (Woolly/Curly), Semitround shaft (Curly/Wavy), Round shaft (Stright)
Hair colour: Blond/gold/yellow, Brunette/Brown, Black
Complexion: Pink/pale/white, White, Yellow, Black, Brown/Bronze, Red/ruddy
Eye colour: blue, grey, hazel, brown
Eyes: straight/oval, slit/slanted up, slanted down
Eyes: wide apart, narrow/close together
Nose type: aquiline/Roman nose, snub
Ears: big, small
Finger prints: Arch, Whorl, Loop
Social: Patrilineal/patriarchal, matriarchal/matrilineal.
Society: egalitarian/gylanic, stratified/pyramidical.
Society/culture: Agricultural/farmer, Hunter/gatherer.
Language: monosyllabic, agglutinative, inflexion.
Numeric: decimal sexagesimal.
Religion: stellar, lunar, solar.
Caste/class/estate: Knight, Priest, Middle, Boor.
Type: Command, Communication/Navigation, Power/Engines.
Mental type: Cerebrotonic/Intellectual/Schizothyme (Asthenic), Somatotonic/practical/Athletic, Viscerotonic/Emotional/artistic/Cylcothyme, hot blooded
Character: Apollonian (Odyssean) Dionysian.
Character: Introvert, Extrovert.
Temperament: sanguine/optimistic (red blood), choleric/aggressive (yellow bile), melancholic (black bile), phlegmatic/placid.
Resources:
http://www.freewebs.com/lifetradition/032839.jpg
https://myitalianlessons.co.uk/characteristics-best-describe-italian-people/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=746821.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=205663.0
https://nottstalgia.com/forums/topic/14422-italian-pows/
http://nottstalgia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14312#entry385415
http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=38115
https://www.facebook.com/groups/italiangenealogyblog
https://www.facebook.com/groups/208530689162140/
http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/
www.italiangeneaology.com
http://e-review.it/malice-prigionieri-militari-nella-seconda-guerra-mondiale-tra-italia-e-inghilterra
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205202291
http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/41446-italian-pow-lists/
http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/52056-ww2-italian-soldiers-in-pow-camps-in-libya-and-england/
https://woods2012.wordpress.com/history/old-memories/the-italian-connection/
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/publications/prisoner-of-war-camps/prisoner-of-war-camps.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/nov/08/prisoner-of-war-camps-uk
www.wartime-memories.fsnet.co.uk/answer.html
Italian Centre Sherwood Rise?
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